RIP Bury FC

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RIP Bury FC

Post by Chestercard » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:34 am

Very sorry to see them go after so many years. Will always remember chatting to some fans after our FA Cup victory there and were genuinely magnanimous in defeat and wished us well in the next round.

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Mr Jones » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:49 am

Tragic. Shouldn’t be allowed to happen by the league or their neighbouring rich clubs.

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by GlenH » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:18 am

Very sad news. There will be some sort of impact on our league as well. The EFL has already confirmed only one team will now be relegated from League 2 (potentially zero if Bolton also drop out). I suppose it depends on where the Phoenix clubs slot back in but there could be fewer relegation spots at every level this season.

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by H Card » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:41 am

Alot of guff on the Internet blaming the efl or the owner that whilst can take a bit of the blame surely the blame lies with the ridiculous demands of the players at that level (and ours). Wages have skyrocketed and until this comes under control (either by the Premier league bubble bursting or an actual decent salary cap) loads more clubs will go to the wall in the chase for success

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by WFC96 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:00 am

GlenH wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:18 am
Very sad news. There will be some sort of impact on our league as well. The EFL has already confirmed only one team will now be relegated from League 2 (potentially zero if Bolton also drop out). I suppose it depends on where the Phoenix clubs slot back in but there could be fewer relegation spots at every level this season.
I bet Aldershot will be in the relegation places, get a reprieve and then shithouse us at Kingfield again next season again ffs.

I’m gutted particularly for Bury. They were my Grandads team so it feels a lot more personal this time.

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by AndyT » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:18 am

Bury haven’t actually died (well not yet) they’ve just been kicked out of the Football League. Hopefully they can reform into a supporters run club and and consign unscrupulous businessmen like Steve Dale to the cutter where they belong.

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Kingfield Ender » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:28 am

Bury got promoted with a team they couldn't afford last season. The EFL should pay closer attention to its member clubs to see what they are doing. Bury fans were happy to take that promotion

The owners should hang their heads in shame, one borrowed millions and one bought the club for £1 to make some quick money and it all went wrong for him.

The people who work for Bury are hit the hardest and if any money is raised it should go to them, but lets not forget all the local business owed by Bury FC, who gives a shit about them in all thus ? . The club will rise again through non-league as it should do, but the whole sorry mess was avoidable.

We slaughter the Conference board a fair bit but look what happened with Gateshead, relegated in June because they couldn't prove they could compete. The incompetent EFL should take a look at that and in future if clubs are in a mess make decisions early to allow all clubs affected (In this case Gateshead and Aldershot) time to make adjustments.

A lots been said that the premier league clubs should put their hands in their pockets. Why ?, that just tells clubs 'you can run yourself poorly and we'll pick up the pieces til next time' . Bury had too many 'next times' and were serial offenders

Is this a watershed moment in football ?
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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by AndyT » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:38 am

Kingfield Ender wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:28 am
Bury got promoted with a team they couldn't afford last season. The EFL should pay closer attention to its member clubs to see what they are doing. Bury fans were happy to take that promotion

The owners should hang their heads in shame, one borrowed millions and one bought the club for £1 to make some quick money and it all went wrong for him.

The people who work for Bury are hit the hardest. The club will rise again through non-league as it should do, but the whole sorry mess was avoidable.

We slaughter the Conference board a fair bit but look what happened with Gateshead, relegated in June because they couldn't prove they could compete. The incompetent EFL should take a look at that and in future if clubs are in a mess make decisions early to allow all clubs affected (In this case Gateshead and Aldershot) time to make adjustments.

A lots been said that the premier league clubs should put their hands in their pockets. Why ?, that just tells clubs 'you can run yourself poorly and we'll pick up the pieces til next time' . Bury had too many 'next times' and were serial offenders

Is this a watershed moment in football ?
You’re so right there Simon (god me agreeing with Vicos, whatever next!!). Yes there’s a ridiculous amount of money in the Premier League but that could be said of large corporations against small independent traders. It’s bollocks to say the Premier League should be helping out clubs like Bury, all it does is allow unscrupulous owners to rack up enormous debts because they won’t have to worry about them as the Premier League will bail me out

I would like to believe this could be a watershed moment but we all know it won’t. Bolton will be next but we all know they won’t be the last.

We’ve all had a whinge about the way our club has been run recently but in light of what is going on in the EFL I for one are bloody glad we’re being run as we are.

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Kingfield Ender » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:43 am

If any money is to be raised it should be for the employees of Bury FC. And lets not forget all the businesses owed money by Bury, nobody's even mentioned them.

The players have had some money from the PFA, other employees have had nothing, and that's just wrong
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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by H Card » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:55 am

I would like to believe this could be a watershed moment but we all know it won’t
See Portsmouth when they were deducted 9 point in the premier league. It will change now everyone said. The moment they were relegated all was forgotten

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Kingfield Ender » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:01 am

It certainly changed the way Portsmouth are run
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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Adrian » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:09 am

Sad, but inevitable.
Will be a better club if reformed and run correctly.
The company hasn’t been liquidated yet though, but I’d imagine that process will begin today.

Sorry for all the employees and local businesses owed money.

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Skybluecard » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:17 am

I have a friend who is a Bury fan and he says that the Phoenix club has been in preparation for months so hopefully we will be seeing them again soon... what league though? All the way down like the Sh*ts?

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Kingfield Ender » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:18 am

Evo Stik premier would make sense

Bigger question is where would they play if not Gigg Lane ?
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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Bertie » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:08 pm

Bury spent money they didn't have and their suppliers (mostly local businesses) will lose out, and the rest of us as tax payers will lose out because HMRC were a creditor.

And by spending money they haven't got, they cost another club a promotion.
If Bury had won just 3 less points Mansfield would have got automatic promotion instead.

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by JAM » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:20 pm

Its been mentioned above in this thread that only 1 club will be relegated from Div 2. Is this right, as all I saw this morning is that only 3 clubs will be relegated from Div 1 into Div 2 (I guess that will be 2 if Bolton go as well)

This leaves there being only 91, instead of 92, clubs in the FL. Could this mean that next season there could be 3 going up from this league into the FL so that they get back to 92

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Bertie » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:36 pm

JAM wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:20 pm
Its been mentioned above in this thread that only 1 club will be relegated from Div 2. Is this right, as all I saw this morning is that only 3 clubs will be relegated from Div 1 into Div 2 (I guess that will be 2 if Bolton go as well)

This leaves there being only 91, instead of 92, clubs in the FL. Could this mean that next season there could be 3 going up from this league into the FL so that they get back to 92
Bury Gone
3 down from League 1
4 up from League 2
1 down from League 2

Bury and Bolton Gone
2 down from League 1
4 up from League 2
0 down from League 2

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Kingfield Ender » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:44 pm

This should be the time when we might be able to put an end to shit or bust clubs. Fine if they can prove that they can pay wages for a season but how many times have we all suffered these pointless 'projects' steamrollering everyone on the way up only to fizzle out mind-season never to be seen again.

The class of 92 can surely prove they can finance Salford, just like Donald could prove it at Eastleigh. Can Tamplin prove he can fund Billericay over a season, if so please show your workings.

Such good financial practice might also then put some reality into supporters too.
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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by JAM » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:59 pm

IF Bolton go bust, how can there possibly be no relegation from League 2. You cant have a team play 46 league games, finish last but say 'don't worry boys, there is no relegation this season so we will go again next season'

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Card is King » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:16 pm

Obviously that will be the case...What else are they going to do? Still relegate two and have 3 automatically promoted from the national league and 1 through the play offs? No chance

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Lurker » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:14 pm

JAM wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:59 pm
IF Bolton go bust, how can there possibly be no relegation from League 2. You cant have a team play 46 league games, finish last but say 'don't worry boys, there is no relegation this season so we will go again next season'
Happened to us in 1980-81. In fact, for most of our history we played in a league with no promotion or relegation (which, looking back, does seem pretty bizarre. No pyramid system in those days, of course).

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by Bertie » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:43 pm

JAM wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:59 pm
IF Bolton go bust, how can there possibly be no relegation from League 2. You cant have a team play 46 league games, finish last but say 'don't worry boys, there is no relegation this season so we will go again next season'
That's effectively what used happened in the days of re-election in the old Division 4.
It was likely turkeys voting for Christmas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-electi ... ll_League)

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by R_bert » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:45 pm

Bury 2.0 has started a fundraising:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/82bmv-save-b ... campmgmt_m

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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by kansasCard » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:05 pm

so most clubs will know that there's f all to play for by Christmas. If Bolton go as well then the National 2019 - 20 season is a complete waste of time and money for all except those in the bottom 4 / 5 What a load of bollocks. No play offs etc as thy'll not be needed. Far better off leaving the system as it is - promote the lower pyramid teams until one says they can't / won't make the grade.
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Re: RIP Bury FC

Post by flakey » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:08 pm

There will still be 2 promoted from the national league....but likely only 2 relegated if Bolton go as well.


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